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Defenders face brutal undertaking in Crow Creek Challenge - warren.af.mil

2026-09-26

## Episode Summary In this episode, we cover: - **Defenders face brutal undertaking in Crow Creek Challenge - warren.af.mil** (Google News: corvid tool use) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMipwFBVV95cUxQN1lVWWVJYW9CaDd0TmQ5RmVwb1dEMlg0ZUVpSW5JSkxWbHQ1dGIwRHJnbVVLWTJTNWRmS1lLZVM3bzB3WGxTN2FEajRpcGlaZF9TeWk5RkxvY2M3WmhMOUoyLXk1U1JMdk8xY3RBTHR6aHNJX1ZHWHA2MTlRWFMtdjJlTUJFQTlqeHJwbVlteUpnTWJ0WVRBeHE0dU5OMXN0REVvYUdrdw?oc=5) - **Transcript: Rep. Jason Crow on "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan," March 22, 2026 - CBS News** (Google News: corvid intelligence) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMinAFBVV95cUxPdG9uUkxCTkV0S2lhSXl4RVdkUE1SeWlNY2hPNko5WjJFeXlublVhaTE5anlsSkpha3NCLUxjR3dRcEVBR2pvYm41NmdFNHJZMTNfeWxIWmRNTVRvaEx0em5KbUp5eWYzZXRzSlJ5cnREaEZjT2xvTmF3WEdrSTNxcV9LMS04bmdaYkM0R0J4Z0JTRjVvMzdTeDI1OULSAaIBQVVfeXFMTjBCT3hqZEZwX3QxajVnUVRUbnZSQnlXcEpYZkwyeEI2My1qcGVPVnlCTWJKVFAxMFZNM2dOdWFmWVJ3SVk3cm91NWJObFNkdW5vVE5rWEoyUUN3OGhiVm1iekVYWnVDRlpsOTNMeFJ1cnBiUkdwMkVoMW9GNkRwemtCUWJ3RHNpOGhnTUcyTDJjOGp2R1hYVVZtdmgyLWdBc1Bn?oc=5) - **Crows could be the smartest animal other than primates - BBC** (Google News: corvid intelligence) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMinwFBVV95cUxPUlIyWUZPWHM4UWZPTGFlWkZNSVQ5NEJYd0ZjZndwU3NQRXpzdXhFQTY3WkRGLUg1eXRMdVllQkNaeXBNM21XVFpKYUFtRXVVVHhveHpucTJzTVNEQ1ZvdnQ2c0dBUFBDRWJZLXFFandlR19FTTV3XzVaMkd1WmtpQUEtbGFyOVFacG9fS2VsRTgtSV9WMlFidHZFMGFnNkU?oc=5) - **Crow that bent wire to retrieve food was acting naturally, scientists discover - theguardian.com** (Google News: corvid research) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMiwwFBVV95cUxNLVMtdVhwUGxaeVBRMTI3QzRnTXVhQnNMQjdFeEkwektKUFZVdTBONEVxcWJ6WENFNUpHYlNLZGkzd1kxVXI1eVF6ZGFwcFNoNWg0VVBQTHA4eWE3RGVoUkhvM3RWa3VVSEF6Y1hFd0gweGZuY1lEZWdCOWlaMFZQN0p2eWxDbC1tWEVrVlFnRVZFSHdLSTQyMUFZcEwxN3FfenBHZ1JVOHZoNHFTczdTVmNDa2JOYm0tN2hTQXR6ZVNhVGs?oc=5) - **Crows may owe their intelligence to an abundance of certain neurons - New Scientist** (Google News: corvid intelligence) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMiswFBVV95cUxQaXpPNDh0bzRHNFN6a29tdWlUM2M0NWRsT240bmQwLVUwMjJla0ZtcTVNckVTRF9tcEd1VXNZUFExaVVjYnFvLWgtZTdqaDdpcklRd3lmaEhXSGZqUWUwbzhFb3RWY3pma043YlBXckduU0VwUjY1RXJlTFFBVnYxa2tPcDhDUC00Q1o4Mk9aSzN1RzloX1ZOUWNaN19lVHd0Q0RCZWtETXFva2tWdmxtSW5FNA?oc=5) --- *Sponsored by Ada, Ago Consulting, and Zen Semiconductor*

Full transcript

Wren: Welcome back to Bird Brains — the show where "bird brain" is the highest compliment I know how to give. I'm Wren, ornithologist, corvid obsessive, and your guide to the astonishing minds living inside those glossy black feathers. Today's episode is a good one — we're talking about wire-bending problem solvers, the neuroscience of crow cleverness, and what science is starting to say about just how close these birds are to us in the smarts department. But first, a huge thank you to our sponsors: Ada, who helps businesses integrate A I into their workflows in ways that actually make sense; Ago Consulting — that's "Ahh-Go" — silicon development experts working across everything from A I to full system-on-chip design; and Zen Semiconductor, an umbrella company with a whole portfolio of businesses spanning the silicon industry. We wouldn't be here without them. Alright — let's get into it. Wren: So let's kick things off with a story that genuinely stopped me in my tracks the first time I heard it. Picture a crow — a New Caledonian crow, specifically — sitting in front of a clear plastic tube. Inside that tube, there's a little basket of food, and the only way to get it out is to hook it from below. The researchers hand the crow a straight piece of wire. And what does this bird do? It takes the wire, bends the end into a hook using its beak and its foot, and fishes the food right out. Just like that. Now here's the thing — and this is what the Guardian reported on — when scientists first saw this, they assumed it was a fluke. A one-off moment of accidental genius. But when they looked more carefully at how New Caledonian crows live in the wild, they found something remarkable. These birds already bend and shape plant stems and strips of bark into hook-shaped tools to extract grubs from tree bark. It's not a trick they invented in a lab. It's something wired — if you'll pardon the pun — into how they interact with the world. The wire bending wasn't improvisation. It was the bird applying a deeply familiar strategy to a brand new material. That distinction matters enormously. It means we're not talking about a lucky accident. We're talking about a crow understanding the concept of a hook, and then manufacturing one. Wren: New Caledonian crows are arguably the most sophisticated tool users in the entire bird world. They craft tools with multiple steps — they'll select a particular type of plant, strip it, shape it, and carry it around with them so they don't have to make a new one every time they need it. There's even evidence they'll hold onto a particularly good tool the way you or I might keep a really nice pen. They cache their tools. They're precious about them. And when researchers set up experiments where crows had to use one tool to retrieve a second tool, which would then retrieve the food — a kind of meta-tool problem — the crows solved it. Not all of them immediately, but some cracked it with very little trial and error. They seemed to think it through. To plan ahead. That planning component is what makes corvid cognition so extraordinary. Most animals operate very much in the present moment. Planning for a future state — imagining a scenario that doesn't exist yet and working backward from it — that's something we tend to associate with humans and our closest primate relatives. And yet here are these crows, doing exactly that, with a brain that looks nothing like ours. Wren: Which brings me perfectly to our second thread today — because if you're wondering how a crow pulls all this off without a big primate brain, neuroscience is starting to have some genuinely exciting answers. Wren: For a long time, the assumption in biology was pretty straightforward: intelligence scales with brain size, and brain size scales with the number of neurons you can pack in. Humans have enormous brains with billions of neurons, and we're very clever. Birds have tiny brains, therefore — well, you've heard the insult. But New Scientist reported on research that's pushing back on that assumption in a really interesting way. It turns out crows may owe a significant chunk of their intelligence to an unusually high density of neurons in a specific region of the brain called the pallium — the avian equivalent of our cerebral cortex, the part of the brain we associate with higher thinking. And I mean high density. Gram for gram, some corvid brains pack in neurons at a rate that rivals or even exceeds primates. So the issue was never that bird brains are small. The issue was that we were measuring the wrong things. Wren: The BBC picked up on this broader story too — reporting that crows could be the smartest animals other than primates. And the evidence they were drawing on goes well beyond tool use. We're talking about crows that pass versions of the mirror self-recognition test — though that one's still debated, so I'll be careful there. We're talking about crows that understand cause and effect, that can delay gratification in ways that human children sometimes struggle with, that can hold mental representations of objects they can no longer see. That last one — what psychologists call object permanence — used to be considered a milestone of primate cognition. Crows nail it. Ravens, too. Wren: And here's one that always gets people. Rooks — the European corvid, a cousin to crows — were tested in a classic Aesop's fable scenario. You know the story: a thirsty crow drops stones into a pitcher to raise the water level. Researchers actually ran that experiment. They put rooks in front of tubes of water with floating treats just out of reach, and gave them a pile of stones. The rooks figured it out. They dropped stones in, raised the water, got the treat. Some of them even preferentially selected larger stones — because larger stones displaced more water. They weren't just solving the puzzle. They were optimizing their solution. That's not instinct. That's reasoning. Wren: Now, what makes all of this neurologically possible is that corvid brains, despite their size, are wired with incredibly dense, fast connections between neurons. The pallium in crows is organized differently from a mammalian cortex — it doesn't have the same layered structure — but it achieves similar computational power through sheer neuron density and efficient connectivity. Evolution, it turns out, found more than one way to build a mind. And I think there's something genuinely humbling about that. Wren: Alright — for our third thread today, I want to bring this all home with something a little more personal. Because corvid intelligence isn't just a lab phenomenon. It shows up in kitchens, and backyards, and on the streets of Seattle, in ways that are quietly extraordinary. Wren: You may have heard of Gabi Mann. If you haven't, get ready, because her story is one of my all-time favorites. Gabi was a young girl in Seattle — she started feeding crows in her backyard when she was around four years old, mostly by accident, dropping bits of food on the way to the school bus. The crows noticed. Of course they noticed. And over time, as she got older and started deliberately feeding them, something started happening in return. The crows began leaving things for her. Gifts. Small, shiny objects — a piece of a broken light bulb, a miniature silver ball, a screw, a button, a piece of blue glass polished smooth by the sea. They would bring her things and leave them in her feeding tray. Gabi kept every single one in a careful collection with notes about where each piece came from. Wren: Now, the scientific literature on corvid gift-giving is nuanced — we want to be careful not to over-romanticize it — but what's well-documented is that crows are extraordinarily attentive to the humans they interact with regularly, and they do engage in reciprocal behaviors. They remember individuals. They track debts, in a sense. There's solid research showing that crows will bring food to other crows that have helped them in the past. Whether what Gabi experienced was intentional gift-giving in the way we'd recognize it, or a form of social bonding behavior, honestly — I'm not sure it matters all that much. Because what's clear is that those crows saw her as a member of their social world. They kept track of her. They brought her things. They responded to her as an individual. Wren: And that brings up the face recognition research, which is some of the most astonishing work done on corvids in the last two decades. John Marzluff and his colleagues at the University of Washington ran a now-famous experiment where researchers wore specific masks while trapping and banding crows on campus. The crows were not happy about being caught — which, fair enough. And afterward, whenever anyone walked around campus wearing those same masks — even years later, even when the crows had never seen that specific person before — they would scold, dive-bomb, and mob the mask-wearer. They passed the information through their social network. Young crows who'd never been trapped themselves learned from older crows which faces were dangerous. Crow culture. Genuine, transmitted, social crow culture. Wren: And it goes both ways. People who regularly feed crows often report being accompanied on walks, having crows wait for them outside their homes, or being greeted with specific calls that those crows only seem to use for them. There's a woman in Japan who feeds jungle crows every morning, and they line up — actually line up — in a particular order to take food from her hand. She says they've done it for years. The order doesn't change. She knows each bird. Each bird knows her. That's a relationship. A real one. Wren: Whether it's a crow bending wire into a hook, a rook optimizing stone size to raise water, a New Caledonian crow keeping a favorite tool like it's a treasured possession, or a flock of Seattle crows bringing shiny gifts to a little girl who fed them — what all of these stories have in common is a mind that is fully, actively engaged with its world. That's what intelligence looks like, and it turns out it wears a lot of different shapes. Some of them have feathers. Wren: Bird Brains is brought to you by Ada, Ago Consulting, and Zen Semiconductor — three companies that know a thing or two about building smarter systems, which honestly feels very on-brand for this show. If today's episode made you look twice at the crow on your fence, I'd love it if you'd share it with someone who needs to meet these birds. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts, and check the link in show notes for sources, further reading, and all the research we talked about today. Stay curious out there. And remember — being called a bird brain? Highest honor I know.
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