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Report highlights how secure data-sharing platforms can support the Intelligence Community’s IT roadmap - DefenseScoop

2026-10-23

## Episode Summary In this episode, we cover: - **Report highlights how secure data-sharing platforms can support the Intelligence Community’s IT roadmap - DefenseScoop** (Google News: corvid intelligence) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMi1gFBVV95cUxNMldaeVF6M3FxMjRLY0RzZHBiY1dYdUdNbEJPVmdCYjIxcEhXMjV4eG93c0JRVGtmcDlzOEhNNkhpU0xtWEZ6S05DU3Jrd1dlRUZoLUY3SzRabmtBNGlCamxWLVRwT0pJdW9ETWhqa2YxQnkzN1FBODQ4RDB2c3ZtZU50M2lkWm80WWFUY2ptQzVNMGduNmJERjFhVTFaZ2w0Tk1tTzJqU2pZNUFMTkJONExXRXJoV0szazk2R2hrRFlNSC1Tek0zNVduN1hCOGlnd1loaDdn?oc=5) - **Is working memory capacity a causal factor in fluid intelligence? - Springer Nature Link** (Google News: corvid intelligence) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMibEFVX3lxTE1GbWJiR1Z1ZzFwUWZFTmtOUjlXY0U1QU1KME5abDZPNmtoWlR6Z3ZJQ3FZbDFZbU9LWEtTaU8zNFNveksxMGZ2Y0xqekdzb0hnTW5OUzBaRm5JS2paLVRxWmhHalFNeC1CTjNTTA?oc=5) - **49 Times Crows Were Seen Doing Scarily Smart Things - Bored Panda** (Google News: corvid tool use) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMiaEFVX3lxTFBYTVNEZGhoTFdsYUx3bUppbVd4LVFMUkpjNTF5bHJXTXJWeUZGYVdNZnRaQ0FTRi1HVGxoVXpKNGptMXlkeUlSUk9rV2pkRl9ka1NMaHBETFJ0UkNndjNHZzJIVWg5M0lR?oc=5) - **Crow Discusses National Security, Bipartisanship with Center for a New American Security - House.gov** (Google News: corvid intelligence) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMiywFBVV95cUxPRXBHU1RkT0E0S3BFTFJUdDBjb2ttNXFKNHphSjhVdXBjcUJfdW1BNlgxMmVCQXpmUWJ6SGlJd3VMUVZmSTFXSjFINmlfRlVWby1USnNpU2xXeFJzWnRVVkViOUhoS19RMHZMSkRJLVBVeEhVOFd2NDBGQ185VVRsM0Z5aHgyTTNJVXdqc2lVTElXWHRhbnJ0RUVnYVFFYmhoTlVnNXpycjVuUmdkVEtfTlhrdFNwa09BdHFRQjM3NWUxbV9GVlhQeGJHMA?oc=5) - **Watch a Problem-Solving Raven Outsmart a Trash Can - National Geographic** (Google News: corvid intelligence) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMilwFBVV95cUxNbVdHdnd6N3YtM0ZUQWJ0dWJLRkE3Ujh2TmtXbG5YZEIyYjk3N2o5X3pSb2NXU1lKc1o3Q25kM0JJcEtObWNpTGtKU2k5RzNmM1pYS2lpX0prVGtucFF0YnNHaTNra2ttNU80VVFfZjdYZElrMGtqZ0NJeHh0WThlb2FMTlkzZ3psM2JrVHZnc1RyQkNTUk9B?oc=5) --- *Sponsored by Ada, Ago Consulting, and Zen Semiconductor*

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Wren: Welcome to Bird Brains — the show where we take the world's favorite insult and turn it into the highest compliment we know how to give. I'm Wren, ornithologist, lifelong corvid obsessive, and your guide to the surprisingly rich inner lives of crows, ravens, magpies, and jays. Huge thanks to our sponsors today — Ada, who helps businesses actually make A I work for them in real, practical ways; Ago Consulting, silicon development experts taking projects all the way from A I to SoC; and Zen Semiconductor, an umbrella company with a whole portfolio of companies spanning the silicon industry. We wouldn't be here without them. Now — today's episode? Oh, it's a good one. We've got a raven taking on a trash can and winning, we're diving into what science tells us about how corvid memory actually functions, and we have a people-and-crow story that is going to make you look at the birds outside your window very differently. Let's get into it. Wren: Okay, thread one. Corvid cleverness. And I want to start with a video because I genuinely cannot stop thinking about it. National Geographic put out footage of a raven — a single raven — working out how to open a supposedly animal-proof trash can. Now, if you've never seen one of these cans, the lid has a latch mechanism designed specifically to keep wildlife out. Bears, raccoons, the usual suspects. The raven doesn't care. It walks up, it tilts its head — that classic corvid move, like it's reading the problem — and then it systematically works the latch. Not randomly pecking. Not brute-forcing it. It's sequencing the steps. Flip this, lift that, push here. And it gets in. Wren: What makes this so striking to me as an ornithologist isn't just that it happened. It's the quality of the behavior. There's a term researchers use — insight learning — which is distinct from trial and error. Insight is when an animal pauses, appears to mentally simulate a solution, and then executes it relatively cleanly. It's associated in the literature with great apes, elephants, dolphins, and yes, corvids. Ravens in particular have been studied extensively on this. The work coming out of the Comparative Cognition Lab in Vienna with researchers like Thomas Bugnyar has shown ravens engaging in remarkably flexible problem-solving, including tasks where they have to use one tool to get another tool to eventually get food. Multi-step planning. Ravens doing that. Wren: And then there's the Bored Panda roundup that's been circulating — forty-nine documented instances of crows doing things that, honestly, if a toddler did them on a nature documentary, we'd all be gasping. Crows using cars as nutcrackers — placing walnuts in traffic lanes and waiting for cars to crack them open, then retrieving the nut on the red light. Crows using sticks to extract insects from bark. Crows bending wire into hooks to fish food out of tubes. That last one isn't just a viral video story — it's been replicated in controlled laboratory settings. Betty the New Caledonian crow, back in the early 2000s at Oxford, spontaneously bent a straight wire into a hook to retrieve a bucket of food from a vertical tube. She'd never seen it done. She just... figured it out. Wren: And New Caledonian crows — I have to say this every time I get the chance because it still blows my mind — they make and carry tools in the wild. Not just pick up sticks. They craft them. They select particular leaves, trim the serrated edges at specific angles to create a rake-like barb, and carry those tools with them from site to site. Tool manufacturing. Tool transport. In a bird whose brain is roughly the size of a walnut. The insult really does collapse under scrutiny, doesn't it. Wren: Thread two. How their minds actually work. Because the tool use is flashy and fun, but the cognitive architecture underneath it is where things get genuinely fascinating — and where I think corvids most dramatically exceed what most people expect. Wren: Let's talk about working memory, because there's been a lot of interesting discussion in cognitive science lately about whether working memory capacity — your brain's ability to hold and manipulate information in the moment — is a driver of what we call fluid intelligence. Fluid intelligence is the kind that lets you solve new problems, adapt to novel situations, reason your way through something you've never encountered before. The debate in human cognitive science is whether a bigger working memory makes you more fluidly intelligent, or whether they're both downstream of some third factor. It's a live question. Wren: Here's why it matters for corvids: when you look at what ravens and crows do in planning tasks, they're holding a lot of pieces in mind at once. In one famous set of experiments, ravens were shown a tool that would let them open a box to get food — but they had to wait fifteen minutes, carry the tool away, and then come back and use it. They did it. Successfully. That requires holding a future goal in mind, inhibiting the impulse to just eat something now, remembering which tool is the right one, and executing a delayed plan. That is working memory doing heavy lifting. And corvids pass these tasks at rates comparable to great apes. Wren: And then there's episodic-like memory — the ability to remember not just what happened, but where and when. This is sometimes called the what-where-when triad. Western scrub jays, which are now called California scrub jays, were the first non-mammals shown to have this capacity. Nicky Clayton's lab at Cambridge demonstrated that these jays remember not just where they cached food, but what kind of food it was — because perishable food needs to be retrieved sooner than non-perishable food — and when they hid it. They are managing a mental spreadsheet of their pantry. Adjusting retrieval strategies based on time elapsed. That is a cognitive feat that most people assume requires language, requires symbolic thought, requires a neocortex — corvids don't have a neocortex in the mammalian sense, but they have a densely packed pallium that performs analogous functions. Different architecture, similar output. Wren: And here's the social dimension that really gets me. Scrub jays, when they cache food, will re-hide it if they notice another jay was watching them do it. But — and this is the kicker — only if that watching jay has a history of stealing from them. They track the reliability of individuals. They have a theory of mind about what that specific bird might do with the information. They're not just thinking about food. They're thinking about who knows what, and what that other bird is likely to do. That's social intelligence operating at a level we really didn't expect to find outside of primates. Wren: Okay, thread three. A corvid and people story. And this one I find genuinely moving. Wren: You may have heard the broad strokes of the Seattle crow girl story, because it's been written up in several places and it is one hundred percent documented. A young girl named Gabi Mann, living in Seattle, started feeding crows in her yard when she was around four years old — mostly by accident, dropping food, and noticing the crows waiting for her. By the time she was eight, she and her family had developed a whole system. They'd put out food and water every day, carefully and consistently. And the crows started leaving things in return. Wren: Shiny things. Little trinkets. A piece of a light bulb. A broken piece of jewelry. A button. A rusted screw. Things that, to a crow, represent value — they cache shiny objects, they're drawn to novel items — and the crows were placing these things in the dish where the food had been. Over time, Gabi built up a collection. She labeled everything, documented where it came from. Her most prized piece, she's said in interviews, was a heart-shaped piece of metal she found in the dish one day after the crows had been particularly well-fed. Wren: Now. Skeptics sometimes push back on gift-giving crow stories — and fair enough, because anecdotes deserve scrutiny. But this behavior is documented and fits with what we know about corvid cognition. Crows form long-term relationships with individual humans. They recognize faces — this has been demonstrated in controlled research by John Marzluff at the University of Washington, who showed that crows would scold and mob researchers who had previously trapped them, even when those researchers wore masks. The crows recognized the masks. They passed the information to other crows who'd never even seen the researchers. The scolding behavior spread culturally through the flock and persisted for years. Wren: So when Gabi's crows brought her gifts, they knew Gabi. They had an ongoing, individualized relationship with a specific human who had been reliably kind to them. Reciprocity isn't just a human social contract — it appears to be operating in corvid social life too. There's research on rooks showing they'll help out other rooks who've helped them previously, suggesting something like a social debt system. Crows live in complex multi-generational family groups. They have allies, rivals, and long memories about who is who. Wren: And the grudge side of that is equally real — maybe more viscerally impressive. The crows that identified Marzluff's team by their masks? That behavior persisted for over five years in some cases. The crows taught their offspring to scold those specific masked faces. A culturally transmitted, multi-generational grudge. Against a rubber mask. I find this both deeply impressive and, I will admit, slightly terrifying. You do not want to be on the wrong side of a crow. And you very much want to be on the right side of one, because the right side looks like a little girl in Seattle opening her food dish every morning to find a new gift waiting. Wren: So here's where I land, at the end of all of this. Intelligence isn't one thing. It's not a single ladder with us at the top. It's a sprawling, branching, surprising set of solutions to the problem of being alive in a complicated world. Corvids evolved their smarts along a completely different branch of the tree of life from us — and they arrived somewhere that looks, in so many meaningful ways, remarkably familiar. Planning. Memory. Social bonds. Reciprocity. Creativity. If that doesn't make you rethink what you mean when you call someone a bird brain, I don't know what will. Bird Brains is brought to you by Ada, Ago Consulting, and Zen Semiconductor — genuinely grateful for their support. If today's episode made you see your neighborhood crows differently, please subscribe, share us with a friend, and leave a review — it means the world to a small, independent show. Links to the research and stories we talked about today are in the show notes. Stay curious out there. I'll see you next time.
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