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Crows Rival Monkeys in Cognitive Capacity - Nature

2026-11-02

## Episode Summary In this episode, we cover: - **Crows Rival Monkeys in Cognitive Capacity - Nature** (Google News: corvid intelligence) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMiX0FVX3lxTFBYdVRNeE5iSkJkRjZ0VFVEdHdCVy00RWJadnNhM1U0bUNSX0szTzgtc0Rvd3VUaUpzckRtVXRnSUFVZVRwWEtJTXhPMHFkc2pyUG52alYxV3NCVnBxV2xJ?oc=5) - **EEOC General Counsel Nominee Crow Expected to Bring Employer-Focused Perspective to Commission - Jackson Lewis** (Google News: corvid intelligence) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMixAFBVV95cUxNMXo2ZGlfS18zUXY2MXRseXdnM0dlQlRET1RrYjRrOWZPX2VpNk1vdG9STDdTVXA0S0UxRTV2b2FnUUdTMVhaVDAxSkd3c2hwQVhGak54Rmw3UEFsQm5LYVhnNWxmYlVyN1hLbjNJR3dmNlRTcXRIM01SRzVVdnZrd1QwYXRwekludUJOUkU3QW45NXBDQ0xJalFfdWxmaTZSTW9jNEtlbzdtNkFqT0NuWXZ6ZHdLOGw1NUxTRElNUzhWUy1y?oc=5) - **High associative neuron numbers could drive cognitive performance in corvid species - Wiley Online Library** (Google News: corvid intelligence) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMiY0FVX3lxTE1LbEh5aUZ4cm5oZUFkZFk5SW1TTTZCY0MxcXZPVzhwTE5oVWJScHBlZkhuZWNhX1hYeUUyc2JWQVA3WVV5T190allRSzZEMUxQWnl3WlBYTXpGWFhFQUYwQ0lETQ?oc=5) - **To know the crow: Insights and stories from over a quarter century of crow study - The Pennsylvania State University** (Google News: corvid research) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMipAFBVV95cUxOUy1VN2pBNnJkNVh2c2I5QllfcDlQc1I0NlNjWV9mdkJzRktLclpkVXpJRUZ6UnQ3ZnptNVgzOEVqTGtSUEUwYU5XOFBNS19DckdDR2FnRTBMUWdfdlhrd25EbDFkaVhlVXFQOTBMRUZMMUw3V3Z1eG04MDk4aFczNkJRLTJZN08yWUlnVTRyNDdOc0VVZU51WnpvVVlPX0xST3pvYg?oc=5) - **Will Medicare Advantage’s rise strengthen or weaken favorable selection? - Brookings** (Google News: corvid research) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMiqgFBVV95cUxNZC02LS10ejlDblFuektsSTdjWmJ1RXc4elREWVp2cjYtYlQtVk00VG9xbElCZEs4d2xLWXlrUzVYS01KZUVUVHVMV09oQ09WaEMwV0pRc2xwMUZBYmF1dnJUOVoySnhpTDF2S0FQdHctOW1LSkI3N29NVzJReXRnU2tockpFOS1mVzA5Z0NRallMZFl5U1hMMnFNdWZ3OGJhdmwwNzhkRjVpdw?oc=5) --- *Sponsored by Ada, Ago Consulting, and Zen Semiconductor*

Full transcript

Wren: Welcome back to Bird Brains — the show where we take what used to be an insult and turn it into the highest compliment we know. I'm Wren, ornithologist, corvid obsessive, and your guide to the surprisingly rich inner lives of crows, ravens, magpies, and jays. Huge thanks to today's sponsors: Ada, who help clients integrate A I into their workflows; Ago Consulting — that's "Ahh-Go" — silicon development consulting from A I to SoC; and Zen Semiconductor, an umbrella company with a portfolio of companies across the silicon industry. We've got a genuinely fascinating episode today — we're talking about crow brains that rival monkey brains, neurons that might hold the secret to corvid genius, and a quarter century of crow research that has transformed how we think about bird intelligence. Buckle up, because your definition of "bird brain" is about to get a serious upgrade. Wren: Alright, let's start with Corvid Cleverness — and I want to kick things off with a question. When you picture a genius in the animal kingdom, what comes to mind? A chimpanzee, maybe? A dolphin? An octopus if you're feeling adventurous? I'd be willing to bet a very nice pair of binoculars that "crow" is not the first thing that popped into your head. And yet, here we are. Because the research coming out right now is making it very, very hard to put corvids anywhere except at the top of the non-human intelligence conversation. A study published in Nature has drawn a direct comparison between crows and monkeys in terms of cognitive capacity — and the crows are not losing that comparison. Not even close. Now, what does cognitive capacity actually mean when we're talking about birds? It means things like the ability to hold information in mind, manipulate it, update it, and use it to make decisions. It means flexibility — not just following a hardwired script, but actually thinking through a novel problem. And crows do this. Repeatedly. Reliably. In ways that keep surprising researchers who have spent careers studying them. One of my favourite examples — and this has been documented carefully over many years — is the Aesop's Fable task. Researchers presented crows and ravens with a tube of water containing a floating treat just out of reach. The birds figured out they could drop stones into the tube to raise the water level. And the really striking part? They preferentially chose heavier objects. They chose sinking objects over floating ones. They chose narrow tubes over wide ones where the water level would rise faster. That is not trial and error. That is something that looks a whole lot like understanding cause and effect. And before anyone says "well, maybe they just got lucky" — these experiments have been run with controls, with novel setups, with birds who had never encountered the task before. The results hold up. Crows are solving problems that require a kind of mental modeling of the physical world. That's not a small thing. That's the kind of cognition that, until pretty recently, scientists were pretty comfortable saying was uniquely primate territory. Wren: Now let's get into the how — because if crows are doing all of this incredible cognitive heavy lifting, the obvious question is: what is going on inside that small, sleek skull? And this is where the neuroscience gets genuinely exciting. A study published in Wiley Online Library looked at associative neuron numbers across corvid species and found something really compelling. Corvids have a remarkably high number of associative neurons — these are the neurons that connect different brain regions, that allow information from one part of the brain to talk to another part. Think of them as the integration hubs. And having a lot of them, the researchers suggest, could be a key driver of the high cognitive performance we see in these birds. Now, here's the thing that always blows people's minds when I bring this up. A crow's brain is tiny. We're talking about something roughly the size of a walnut. And for a long time, that was taken as pretty damning evidence that birds just couldn't be that smart — because intelligence, the thinking went, scales with brain size. But that turns out to be a really mammal-centric way of looking at things. Bird brains are organized differently. Corvids have an extremely high density of neurons packed into that small space. A study a few years ago found that some corvids and parrots have neuron densities in their forebrains that rival or exceed those of primates. And now we're adding to that picture — it's not just how many neurons you have, it's how well connected they are. How well the different processing regions can share information and work together. And corvids, it turns out, are extraordinarily well wired. There's also fascinating research on the corvid equivalent of the prefrontal cortex — the part of the mammalian brain associated with planning, impulse control, and executive function. Birds don't have a prefrontal cortex, anatomically speaking. But they have a region called the nidopallium caudolaterale that seems to do a very similar job. Crows using this region have been observed passing what's called the delay of gratification test — holding off on eating a smaller reward now in order to get a bigger one later. That is self-control. That is planning. In a walnut-sized brain. Every time I think about this I want to stand up and applaud. Wren: Okay, our third thread is the one I always love most — because it's where the science becomes a story, and the story becomes something that feels almost like a friendship across species. I want to talk about what more than twenty-five years of dedicated crow research at Penn State has taught us — because there is a body of work here, built up over decades by researchers who showed up, day after day, season after season, and just watched. And listened. And learned. Twenty-five-plus years of crow study gives you something that shorter experiments can't — it gives you continuity. It gives you the ability to watch individual birds across their lives. To see how relationships form and break. To see knowledge passed between generations. And what emerges from that kind of long-view research is a picture of crow society that is genuinely complex. Crows form long-term pair bonds. They have helpers at the nest — often their own offspring from previous years who stick around to help raise younger siblings. That's called cooperative breeding, and it's relatively rare in the bird world, and it requires a level of social cognition — of understanding who is who and what role they play — that we are only beginning to fully appreciate. This long-term research has also given us some of the best documentation of what I think of as crow culture — the way that information spreads through a crow community, not genetically, but socially. If a crow in a neighborhood has a bad encounter with a particular human, other crows learn to be wary of that human. Researchers at the University of Washington — John Marzluff's group — famously demonstrated this by wearing specific masks while handling crows, and then tracking how the wariness toward those masks spread through the local crow population and persisted for years, even being taught to young birds who had never had a direct negative experience themselves. That is social learning. That is culture. And it means that crows are not just individually smart — they are collectively smart. The community holds knowledge that no single bird could accumulate on its own. When I think about a crow looking at me from a telephone wire, I now wonder: what does that bird know about me? What has it heard? What has it decided? It is a genuinely humbling thought. And I mean that in the best possible way. Wren: So here's where I land, every single time I go deep on corvid research — intelligence is not one thing, and it does not live in one place. It evolved multiple times, in multiple lineages, wearing very different biological costumes. A crow is not a small, feathered primate. It is something stranger and more wonderful than that — it is a creature that arrived at complex cognition by an entirely different road, with an entirely different kind of brain, over an entirely different evolutionary history. And yet here it is, solving puzzles, remembering faces, teaching its children, holding grudges, and possibly — I say possibly with a grin — judging us. If that doesn't make you want to look up every time a crow crosses your path, I don't know what will. Bird Brains, brought to you by Ada, Ago Consulting, and Zen Semiconductor — three companies who, like our corvid friends, know that the smartest solutions often come from thinking a little differently. If you enjoyed today's episode, please subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who still thinks "bird brain" is an insult — we have work to do. All the research and sources from today's episode are in the show notes, so check the link in show notes and go exploring. Stay curious out there. The crows certainly are.
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