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In Memory of Stoney, the Forgotten Elephant From Oregon Zoo - In Defense of Animals

2026-10-05

## Episode Summary In this episode, we cover: - **In Memory of Stoney, the Forgotten Elephant From Oregon Zoo - In Defense of Animals** (Google News: elephant cognition/memory) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMingFBVV95cUxPcERyTEQ1dmhTRWZkWmlKRWRYaGFQdlZ4YzA5SUppZldldUw5V3gzQzM4RGY3M0NaWW5tbzRBY2tzVTROdWNTS0dGc2E1YWxUNjdadW5KcTFBQnUyc1BmZHB2ZXp4TC05alZkQnFyUk5Zc1NpR0tIOXp5eVBlSUZZV0JJTWtSNmRtQjZ3SDhGN3NFUTFFbTJzejRjT3d5UQ?oc=5) - **Elephant numbers spark debate: science tells a simpler story - International Fund for Animal Welfare | IFAW** (Google News: elephant research/conservation) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMimAFBVV95cUxQM1VzUHU0NjNPd2FLUGp1VF9pV3BVOF9KZGpPa0RGLW1Ba0RWT2tTY1hOUktTWUhQUk9Od0RGMkhDVXpONlpZcThVY2JxNVlPb0MtTW9qVVk2eFV1U0ZFYWpIdHZvRmpoQXRLOVlSMVlNR1VoQ3k0SlRnWWhTTXVkT2x4ckdkSVFPcFh4S2dFMEZiTWdhMjBMZw?oc=5) - **John Lennon, Yoko Ono, The Plastic Ono Band & Elephant’s Memory - Power to the People (The Ultimate Collection) Review - Still Listening Magazine** (Google News: elephant cognition/memory) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMi8gFBVV95cUxORmt0ZVFsWTc2Nl93TzNzMmsteTZqWXlRSHlXaWdURzZXUUNmNjA5dU9kLVdrbXZmUlFrMzlaSEtyc0tWYnhMVlV5M2VQQ3pTNlRUNkZpeTcxdDJ4X1J3S3lWQTlvUEpXVlJobkFtTThYUjJxNEtrUERJRlE3Um9yR0xIYVpQOFlXbWRGYXVCSHRVNkhndlJEYThVNWpkWmZYUkI0TnJBQ1QyamtONFlPcFJqczNnVFNaYzBRMDQyMnllVkp4bXJTSTAxcUNrVm5JUkdGU2tLNkwyR0p1bzVXMjRxWGVSbERGSUlfVEkxTmxfZw?oc=5) - **Maryland Zoo to transition to all-male elephant herd - WJLA** (Google News: elephant behavior/emotion) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMif0FVX3lxTE1tRVllYmpCMVFDWFFlR3FGTG5wd3NjODc2MThQR0JYX215RWRNRjNPazJtR0M5UXhHWm0tMklLRk9RRXhpU2VHVVlFNTYzdjBta2h5YlNrRTBxV3JaVXJ6TnBjS253aC1Obm1DNGhvQ0N2TmZXVUFwbUtiOFo0eVU?oc=5) - **What it's like to take Disney World's 'Caring for Giants' elephant tour - Florida Today** (Google News: elephant behavior/emotion) - [Read more](https://news.google.com/rss/articles/CBMizgFBVV95cUxNalpTc3p5WUVDYzFuU0x1Q3RoUUNYNWdpeGpDc0dFZThYbU0wZmVxSmMwRTRycUh4bnA5R0kwcDlQVVdiSExNTzI3RzRlc1g5YzhYVTVJTmxxcDQxUjZ3Vi14SFktY1dzWHVRcTN0ZmFXb1ZsTkR0UVVyTlVTWlFWOE5xOWdUSnRHY2N4enRjZzdNdndCc1ctU1hJX2lVdXFxSll5NHVyRGZoMm03QkJ4XzlVM0ctTFU4d21sU0hFTmo4bGdFVWNLbFFoTlhoUQ?oc=5) --- *Sponsored by Ada, Ago Consulting, and Zen Semiconductor*

Full transcript

Amara: Welcome to The Long Memory — I'm Amara, an elephant biologist and science communicator, and this is the show where we slow down and really listen to what elephants have to teach us about memory, emotion, intelligence, and what it means to live in deep relationship with the world around you. Amara: Before we get started, a warm thank you to today's sponsors — Ada, who helps clients integrate A I into their workflows in ways that actually make sense for their business; Ago Consulting, pronounced "Ahh-Go," your partners in silicon development from A I all the way to SoC; and Zen Semiconductor, an umbrella company with a remarkable portfolio spanning the silicon industry. We're grateful for their support. Amara: Today we're going to talk about a zoo elephant named Stoney who deserved so much more than he got — and what his story reveals about what we owe animals who've spent their lives in our care. We're going to dig into what's actually happening with elephant population numbers, and why that debate matters more than you might think. And we'll visit Disney World — yes, really — where something quieter and more meaningful than a theme park attraction might actually be taking shape. Amara: Stay with me. Let's begin. Amara: So — the mind of the elephant. If you've been listening to this show for any length of time, you know I keep coming back to one central truth: elephants remember. Not in a vague, poetic sense. I mean they remember with a specificity and an emotional texture that should honestly stop us in our tracks. Amara: There's a concept researchers use called episodic-like memory — the ability to recall not just that something happened, but where it happened, when it happened, and the emotional context around it. We see strong evidence of this in elephants. They remember individual humans — sometimes after decades apart. They remember waterholes they visited years ago during droughts. Matriarchs carry what are essentially mental maps of their ranges, and those maps get passed down through generations. Amara: What makes elephant memory so extraordinary isn't just its duration. It's its purpose. Elephant memory is social memory. It exists in service of the herd — who is safe, who is a threat, who has been kind, who has caused harm. This is not abstract cognition. This is survival wisdom encoded in lived experience. Amara: Which brings me to a story I want to sit with for a moment — the story of Stoney. Amara: Stoney was an African elephant who spent decades at the Oregon Zoo in Portland. He died there, and in the aftermath, advocates from In Defense of Animals drew attention to something uncomfortable: that Stoney's passing was quiet, almost unacknowledged in the broader public conversation — a kind of forgetting that felt at odds with everything we know about how elephants themselves handle loss. Amara: And here's what strikes me about that. Stoney wasn't out in the savanna with a herd. He didn't have the social architecture that elephants rely on. He didn't have the matriarch who would have guided him, the family who would have rumbled to him across distances, the calves he might have watched over. He had a much smaller world. And when that world ended, there was very little fanfare. Amara: I'm not saying this to condemn the people who cared for Stoney — zoo keepers often love their animals deeply and work incredibly hard under real constraints. But Stoney's story is an invitation to ask harder questions. What does it cost an elephant to live without a herd? What does memory mean when there's no one to remember alongside you? Amara: Elephants in the wild reinforce shared memories constantly — through touch, through rumbling vocalizations, through the synchronized movement of the group. Memory, for them, is a communal act. To be isolated is to be, in some fundamental sense, cut off from the very thing that makes elephant cognition come alive. Amara: Stoney mattered. His inner life — whatever shape it took in the circumstances he lived in — mattered. And I think the most honest thing we can do with stories like his is to hold them carefully, without looking away. Amara: Let's talk about the heart of the herd now — because if the mind of the elephant is extraordinary, the emotional and social life of the elephant is almost beyond words. Amara: Elephant society is matriarchal. The oldest female leads the herd, and her age isn't a liability — it's the whole point. Her decades of accumulated experience, her memory of droughts and safe corridors and dangerous strangers, is the herd's greatest survival asset. Studies by Cynthia Moss and her colleagues at Amboseli, across more than fifty years of research, have shown that herds led by older matriarchs have higher calf survival rates. The grandmother knows things the younger elephants don't. And the herd trusts her. Amara: Now there's a story in the news this week that I want to bring into this conversation, because it touches on herd structure in a really specific way. The Maryland Zoo has announced it's transitioning to an all-male elephant herd. Currently they house African elephants, and the shift means moving away from the mixed-sex social grouping toward a bachelor group model. Amara: This is worth thinking about carefully. In the wild, bachelor groups do exist — young males leave their birth herds as they mature, and they form their own loose associations. So it's not biologically alien. But here's the nuance: wild bachelor groups exist in the context of a broader elephant landscape. Those males still have occasional contact with females, with family herds, with the full complexity of elephant society. Amara: A zoo bachelor group is a different thing. It's a contained social unit. And the question advocates and researchers ask is whether it can provide the richness and stimulation that elephants — who are wired for complex, multigenerational social bonds — genuinely need. Amara: At the same time, I want to be fair here. Managing elephant welfare in captivity is genuinely hard. Space, resources, the dynamics between individual animals — these are real constraints. And some zoos have made meaningful improvements in how they house and manage elephants. The conversation is ongoing, and that's actually good. Amara: What I keep returning to is grief — because if you want to understand the depth of the elephant heart, grief is one of the clearest windows. Elephants return to the bones of their dead. They handle skulls and tusks with their trunks, sometimes spending long periods at the remains of family members. Joyce Poole, one of the great elephant researchers, has documented what she describes as a kind of mourning state — a change in posture, in vocalizations, in movement — that can last for days. Amara: This isn't anthropomorphism. It's observation, repeated and documented across decades and field sites. Elephants have a relationship with death that is, by any reasonable measure, emotional. They feel loss. And when we talk about what elephants need — in zoos, in sanctuaries, in the wild — we have to keep that emotional reality at the center of the conversation. Amara: Stoney's death, Maryland Zoo's transition, the ongoing debates about captive elephant welfare — they're all threads in the same question. What do we owe a creature that grieves? Amara: And now, an elephant-and-people story — because I believe these stories, when they're told honestly, are some of the most important ones we have. Amara: Let's go somewhere unexpected. Walt Disney World. Specifically, a behind-the-scenes experience at Animal Kingdom called Caring for Giants, where guests can get an up-close look at the African elephants who live there — not a performance, not a show, but a guided educational encounter. Amara: A recent account from Florida Today described what this experience is actually like. Guests stand at a distance, watching the elephants in their habitat, guided by expert animal care staff who talk about elephant behavior, biology, and the conservation story behind the animals they're seeing. The elephants aren't performing tricks. They're just — being elephants. And that, apparently, is more than enough. Amara: What I find genuinely interesting about this is the shift it represents. For most of the twentieth century, the relationship between elephants and entertainment venues was built on performance — on making elephants do things for human amusement. That model has been increasingly rejected, and what's replacing it, at least in some places, is something more like witnessing. You come, you watch, you listen. The elephant doesn't do anything for you. You simply have the privilege of being near a magnificent, complex being. Amara: Now, I have complicated feelings about elephants in any captive setting — I think most honest elephant researchers do. But I also think that if a child stands twenty feet from an African elephant and watches her interact with her herdmates, watches her use her trunk to investigate a pile of browse, hears the low rumble she makes — that child is changed. Something gets planted. And sometimes, that planted thing grows into the kind of person who cares about wild elephants, who votes for conservation funding, who tells their own children why this matters. Amara: We know from the science of conservation psychology that direct experience with animals — or even high-quality vicarious experience — builds what researchers call moral inclusion. The sense that another being's welfare matters. And elephants, with their visible intelligence and their unmistakable emotional presence, are extraordinarily good at generating that feeling. Amara: This connects to something broader I want to touch on before we close — because this week there's also been a real, substantive conversation in the conservation space about elephant numbers. The International Fund for Animal Welfare published a piece pushing back on some of the murkier claims circulating about African elephant population data, arguing that the science actually tells a clearer story than the political debate suggests. Amara: And this matters enormously. Because how many elephants exist, where they exist, and whether those numbers are stable or declining directly determines the legal protections they receive, the funding conservation programs get, and ultimately, how many elephants will be alive in twenty years. When the numbers get muddied — by politics, by trophy hunting interests, by land use conflicts — the animals pay the price. Amara: The best science we have suggests that African savanna elephants experienced catastrophic losses during the poaching crisis of the twentieth century — declines of perhaps fifty percent or more in some regions. Recovery has been real in some protected areas, but it's fragile, it's uneven, and it exists alongside ongoing habitat loss at a scale that should alarm anyone paying attention. Amara: African forest elephants, which are a separate species — and that distinction matters — are in an even more precarious position. They were only formally recognized as their own species in the early 2000s, and they're classified as critically endangered. They're harder to count, harder to protect, and they live in regions where conservation infrastructure is thinner. Amara: The story the science tells isn't simple in its details, but it's clear in its direction. We're in a critical window. What happens in the next decade will shape the trajectory of elephant populations for generations. Amara: Which is why I'm genuinely glad that institutions — whether it's IFAW doing rigorous science communication, or a Disney experience that gets a family thinking about African wildlife — are part of this ecosystem of care. It's not one thing that saves a species. It's ten thousand things, happening at once, across governments and communities and field stations and, yes, sometimes theme parks. Amara: And it starts, always, with the question that elephants seem to ask simply by existing: do you see me? Do you understand what I am? Amara: I'll leave you with this. Stoney, the elephant at the Oregon Zoo who we talked about at the top of the show — he lived his life largely out of public attention. He wasn't famous. His death passed quietly. But someone remembered him. Someone thought his name deserved to be spoken, his life deserved to be marked. And here we are, saying his name. Amara: Elephants remember their dead. They return to the bones. They stand in what looks, to any honest observer, like reverence. Maybe the most elephant-like thing we can do is practice a little of that ourselves — notice who we've lost, say the names, and let that remembering sharpen our commitment to the living. Amara: The Long Memory, brought to you by Ada, Ago Consulting, and Zen Semiconductor. Thank you for spending this time with me and with these remarkable animals. Amara: If today's episode moved you, please subscribe wherever you get your podcasts, and share it with someone who loves animals or simply loves a good story told with care. All of the sources and links from today's episode are in the link in show notes — I'd encourage you to go deeper, especially on the conservation science. Amara: Stay curious. Stay kind. And keep the long memory.
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